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  1. #76
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    Cu cat mai multe cu atat mai bine :

    http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/depano.html

    Encyclopedia of Canine Veterinary Medical Information

    Panosteitis

    Panosteitis is a spontaneously occurring lameness that usually occurs in large breed dogs. German Shepherds seems to be particularly predisposed to this condition. Due to this, it is possible that the disease may have genetic causes. Some veterinarians feel that this disease may be induced or worsened by stress.

    Affected dogs are usually in the 5 to 14 month age range and male dogs are more commonly infected than female dogs. The disease has been reported in dogs as young as 2 months and can occur in young mature dogs. The lameness tends to occur very suddenly, usually without a history of trauma or excessive exercise. In most cases one or the other front leg is affected first and then the problem tends to move around, making it appear that the lameness is shifting from leg to leg. There are often periods of improvement and worsening of the symptoms in a cyclic manner. This makes evaluation of treatment difficult since many dogs will spontaneously recover with or without treatment and then relapse.

    X-rays usually reveal that the bones have greater density than is normally found. If pressure is applied over the long bones, pain is usually present. The X-ray signs do not always match the clinical signs.

    In most cases, the worst pain lasts between one and two months but may persist in a cyclic nature for up to a year. Analgesic medications like aspirin can be be helpful. In severe cases, corticosteroids may provide relief.

    Currently, a common rumor is that low protein, low calcium diets may prevent this condition. It should be noted that the energy level of low protein/calcium diets is often lower as well. If this is the case, a puppy will eat much more of the diet in order to meet its energy needs, resulting in higher total calcium consumption. It may be preferable to feed a puppy diet and restrict total quantity to keep the dog lean than to use a low protein/low calcium adult dog food.

    This condition is self limiting, meaning that it will eventually go away, with or without treatment. Pain control can go a long way towards helping your pet feel more comfortable and should be used, though.

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    Panosteitis - Pano

    Panosteitis
    When I was about 5 1/2 months old, I started to limp a lot. The limping was always worse after walks and play sessions. My parents were very worried about me. They thought that I might have that terrible disease called dysplasia, or maybe OCD...

    They brought me to the vet to have x-rays done. The vet said that I only had something called panosteitis, also known under the name of "puppy limp", "growing pains", "long bone disease", "shifting leg lameness" or simply "pano".

    The vet put me on a bit of a diet so that I'd lose a bit of weight. This would reduce the stress on my legs and ease the pain. He also told me not to play too hard or run too much, and made me take daily doses of vitamin C (which is believed to help bone development). And when I really limped a lot, my parents were told to give me a Bufferin tablet. But then I had to be very careful, because Bufferin would hide the pain, but not cure the problem.

    The following information was collected from various books, Web pages and email messages that my father received...

    Simply said, pano is the inflammation of the membrane surrounding the long bones in the legs of adolescent pups. It is very common in larger breeds, and the only way to accurately diagnose it is with x-rays. Onset can be from 5 to12 months (occasionally later) and last until 18 months or more. Though it is uncomfortable for the puppy, he almost always grows out of it within a month or two. The lameness is not necessarily be limited to one leg, and this can be easily noticed as the limping seems to shift from one leg one day to another the following day. There is no cure as such for pano, but the disease will disappear more quickly is the puppy's weight is kept low, exercise is limited and the puppy is switched to adult formula dog food.

    Here are a few additional definitions:


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    panosteitis (^) acute shifting lameness of growing dogs, deep bone pain, self-limiting


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    Panosteitis (Commonly called "long bone disease," "wandering lameness," or simply "pano.") Generally seen between 5-12 months of age, it is caused by excessive bone production on the long bones. Dogs will generally grow out of the problem, but it is a painful condition. Pano is, for unknown reasons, common in GSDs. If the dog is x-rayed during a bout of pano, lesions on the growth plates will be visible. However, pano leaves no lasting ill affects on a dog. Diet is thought to play a role. High protein puppy diets may make the puppy grow too fast and increase the chance of the pup experiencing pano (sometimes described as "growing pains"). Pano is also called "Shifting Leg Lameness" as it can show up in any leg and may come and go without warning. Pups usually completely outgrow Pano by 18 months. Enforced rest is usually prescribed. Painkillers are contraindicated since the pup will play more without pain, and may exacerbate the condition


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    Panosteitis (puppy limp): Also called pano, this is an inflammation of the membrane covering the bone and is relatively common. Rest, quiet, and sometimes a vet-approved painkiller are generally recommended for the puppy. Some vets recommend a reduced protien (usually an adult mixture) diet. This can strike anytime between 6-18 months of age and rarely lasts past two years of age. If the limping goes from leg to leg (i.e., one day the dog limps on the right rear leg and the next it limps on the left front), it is very likely pano. Pano can also be diagnosed via x-rays. Fortunately, lasting effects are uncommon, and most puppies outgrow it. It is not known what causes pano, the belief is that there is either a hereditary link, perhaps just a predisposition toward, causing pano.


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    Press Release - Panosteitis is an Orthopedic Puzzlement
    by Dolores Holle, DVM

    Morristown - Panosteitis, a disease of unknown cause, has been reported in a variety of large and giant breed dogs. It causes pain and lameness in young, growing dogs, most often those between five- and 12-months old. It is reported to occur more often in males than females, and may appear in just one limb or all simultaneously.

    The disease most often affects the shaft portion of the long bones. These are the radius, ulna and humerus of the front leg, and the femur and tibia of the hind leg. The lameness that accompanies panosteitis can vary from mild to severe. The dog may exhibit signs that vary from a subtle lameness to a reluctance to bear any weight on the limb. Panosteitis may appear to cause a shifting leg lameness. That is, lameness occurs and resolves in one leg, but is followed by the appearance of lameness weeks later in a different limb. Lameness also could recur in the same limb, but involve a different bone within that limb.

    Typically, palpation of the affected bone elicits a pain response from the dog. X-rays may rule out other causes of lameness or confirm the diagnosis. Increased areas of density, representing the formation of bone within the marrow cavity, may appear on diagnostic films. No relationship has been found between the severity of the lesions on x-rays and the severity of the lameness. Symptoms can begin before radiographic changes are evident, and resolve long before radiographic changes resolve.

    Dogs usually respond readily to a short course of treatment with an analgesic, such as aspirin or phenylbutazone. I have used words like typically, usually, and so on, to describe panosteitis, because there are exceptions to the general rule. For example, panosteitis, or a disease which is clinically and radiographically indistinguishable from it, has been seen in dogs as old as five years.

    In my experience, the later episodes of panosteitis have occurred in German Shepherds. The possibility of panosteitis as a cause of lameness in these dogs should not be overlooked when the signs don't match the classical presentation of this disease.

    Dolores Holle, V.M.D. is attending veterinarian and director of canine health management at The Seeing Eye, the world's oldest dog guide school. The Seeing Eye, a philanthropy, celebrates its 65th anniversary this year. Since its founding in 1929, it has matched nearly 11,000 specially bred and trained Seeing Eye dogs with blind men and women from across the United States and Canada.
    "E lege ca dreptatea ºi adevãrul sã trimfe asupra puterii ºi minciunii" N. BÃLCESCU

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    Citat Postat de maddie
    Caracterul poligenic (nu "complex poligenic") se refera la modalitatea de transmitere. ..
    Doua dintre instrumentele folosite in acest domeniu sunt: statistica si teoria probabilitatilor
    "caracterul poligenic" este de fapt al unei trasaturi fenotipice. "complexul poligenic" este cel care determina respectivul fenotip. pentru neavizatzi fenotipul este ceea ce vedem cu okiul, genotipul = totalitatea genelor respectivei fiintze vii. asa ca atzi vorbit despre lucruri difertie (e drept, cu legatura intre ele).
    cu partea a doua - statistica si probabilitatzi - simtz o nevoie acuta de a-i da dreptate lui maddie (ceea ce incepe sa ma oftice usor - usor ) daca ele (statistica si probabilitatzile) nu erau, nu mai auzea nimeni naibii de genetica....daca nu era batrinu' mendel cu statistica si probabilitatzile lui, nu mai apareau nici bajetzii watson si crick cu adn-ul

  3. #78
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    Citat Postat de Indio
    Maddie are partial dreptate cu datele prezentate despre displazie.
    De ce partial ? Pt ca nu a prezentat corect statistica.
    rezultatele totale le gasiti la http://www.offa.org/hipstatbreed.html

    Dupa cum se vede acolo datele sunt:
    Breed / Percent Excellent / Percent Dysplastic
    BULLDOG 0.0 / 75.4
    DOGUE DE BORDEAUX 0.0 / 57.5
    NEAPOLITAN MASTIFF 0.9 / 46.6
    BULLMASTIFF 3.5 / 24.9

    In traducere:

    Percent Excellent - procentul de caini fara displazie (echivalent cu HD 0 conform FCI)
    Percent Dysplastic - procentul de caini cu displazie mai mare decit limita admisa (echivalent cu HD3 si HD 4 la FCI)

    Deci, la Bulldog si Dogue de Bordeaux procentul de caini fara displazie (HD 0) a fost 0 ZERO iar la mastino abia 0.9% !!!!!!
    La Bullmastiff procentul a fost de 3.5 %

    Cresc ca este evident pt toata lumea ca daca adunam 3.5%+24.9% = 28.7%
    Restul pina la 100% (adica 81.3%) reprezinta caini cu un grad acceptat de displazie, echivalent cu HD 1 si HD 2 la FCI ...
    Hip Grades (OFA)
    The phenotypic evaluation of hips done by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals falls into seven different categories. Those categories are normal (Excellent, Good, Fair), Borderline, and dysplastic (Mild, Moderate, Severe). Once each of the radiologists classifies the hip into one of the 7 phenotypes above, the final hip grade is decided by a consensus of the 3 independent outside evaluations. Examples would be:

    Two radiologists reported excellent, one good-the final grade would be excellent;
    One radiologist reported excellent, one good, one fair-the final grade would be good;
    One radiologist reported fair, two radiologists reported mild-the final grade would be mild.

    The hip grades of excellent, good and fair are within normal limits and are given OFA numbers. This information is accepted by AKC on dogs with permanent identification (tattoo, microchip) and is in the public domain. Radiographs of borderline, mild, moderate and severely dysplastic hip grades are reviewed by the OFA radiologist and a radiographic report is generated documenting the abnormal radiographic findings. Unless the owner has chosen the open database, dysplastic hip grades are not in the public domain.


    Statistics and Data OFA

    BULLMASTIFF
    Registry/ Rank /Evaluations /Percent Abnormal/ Percent Normal
    HIPS /20/ 3624/ 24.9/ 72.2

    Classification / Classification / Classification
    OFA / FCI / FCI


    EXCELLENT / A 1 / no signs of dysplasia
    GOOD / A 2 / Transitional Case
    FAIR / B 1 / Transitional Case

    BORDERLINE / B 2 / Mild
    MILD / C 1 / Moderate
    MILD / C 1 / Moderate
    MODERATE / D 1 / Mild
    MODERATE / D 2 / Mild
    SEVERE / E 1 / Severe
    SEVERE / E 2 / Severe

    Echivalarea gradelor FCI cu cele OFA o putem face doar in conditiile in care se respecta aceeasi procedura de evaluare. Altfel, comparam mere cu pere si ne imaginam ca avem struguri, struguri cu gust dulce pentru unii si acru pentru altii.

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    Am si eu nevoie de un sfat: unde pot face un test bun de displazie in Romania?
    Multumesc!

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    In Bucuresti, o radiografie buna se poate face la cabinetul Tara's Vet din Crangasi.

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    Merci mult de tot. Asa auzisem si eu.

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    Eu zic sa te interesezi de tratamentul cu Rymadil ca am auzit ca da rezultate la Ciobanesti Germani , si mai ales daca are 10 luni are sanse
    Cand multe legi te invita,sa gandesti ca o vita,
    Evita munca cinstita,profita cat ai timp,secunda nu pica ,curge.Statul e un aparat de supt care ne suge.
    E o viata de hamster labirint fara cer,
    Sa fi curat ca lacrima si sa mori de cancer.

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    eu i am facut Rimadyl la 6 luni si nu prea s a schimbat nimic ..

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    nu intotdeauna merge cu Rymadil depinde de la caz la caz

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    Implicit displazie

    am si eu o catzea Cane-Corso in varsta de 2 ani si jumatate si are o displazie de grad 1 pe ambele picioare. medicul unde am facut radiografia mi-a recomandat operatzia , insa mai multzi medici mi-au recomandat a incerc cu Cartilagiu De Rechin. ce parere avetzi.... atzi mai auzit pe cineva care a incercat... Merci
    Cane-Corso RULES!!!!!!!

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    Implicit Cartilaj de rechin

    Nu cred ca are de ce sa-i strice. Oricum e f bun pt. problemele cu incheieturile. Si e produs natural, nu e rafinat, industrial...

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    Implicit Re: displazie

    Citat Postat de r3b3llul
    ... mai multzi medici mi-au recomandat a incerc cu Cartilagiu De Rechin. ce parere avetzi.... atzi mai auzit pe cineva care a incercat...
    Mult mai eficient este Artrostop-ul, insa dat aproape in permanenta pentru ca animalul sa fie scutit de dureri.

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    Daca are gradul 1 poti sta linistit 99,9% nu va avea probleme.

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  15. #90
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    Implicit pt roxana si cainele ei

    draga roxana, ma numesc marian si sunt student la medicina veterinara in ultimul an.
    catelul tau are displazie coxofemurala (de sold) bi-, sau unilaterala?
    in urma ex.radiografic(Rx) in ce grad (1,2,3,4) a incadrat dr. acela displazia cainelui tau. infiltratiile locale cu antiinflamatoare steroidice, de tipul cortizon, dexametazona, prednisolon, cat si administrarea lor pe cale generala pe o perioada mai lunga de timp poate avea o serie de consecinte nefaste asupra organismului uneori pot duce la o serie de ,,patii,, cu prognostic infaust si final letal. dintre consecintele acestei iatropatii se pot enumera:
    -dibet glucocorticoid(cushing), manifestat prin polidipsie(consuma multa apa), poliurie(urineaza des), polifagie/anorexie , deshidratare, slabire progresiva, caderea parului (alopecie simetrica bilaterala), etc.
    -scaderea defensivei organismului(imunitatii)
    -acapararea diferitelor infectii intercurente
    -diseminarea germenilor in cazul septicemiilor la diferite distante in organism
    -efect antiinsulinic sau hiperglicemiant,
    - la femelele gestante determina avortul indus
    ai spus ca ii administrezi rimadyl. acest medicament nu este altceva decat carpofren(cu rol antiinflamator si analgezic) sub forma de tablete, de obicei de 50 mg care se administreaza pe cale orala .
    !!!!!!atentie si la posologia acestuo medicament.se administreaza max 4-5 mg/kg greutate vie timp de doua-trei zile apoi poti sa revii dupa 1 saptamana cu acelasi protocol terapeutic. trebuie sa tii cont ca este contraindicat in afectiuni gastrice, insuficienta hepatica, insuficienta renala, si nu ar trebui asociat cu alte antiinflamatoare.in aceasta pauza parerea mea personala este ca ar trebui administrat algocalmin(metamizol), novalgin im sau iv o data la doua zile cate 5 militri pe zi plus aplicarea unor unguente pe baza de compusi antiinflamatori nesteroidici de tipul Fenilbutazonei o data pe zi, sau infiltratii cu Boicyl subcutanat in zona soldului(coxofemural) 1 data la 2 zile in 3-4 sedinte, evitarea efortului, miscarilor bruste.ceea ce ti-am spus este valabil in cazul displaziei coxo-femurala de gradul 1 max 2.in cazul in care displazia este avansata , gradul 3 sau 4 iti recomand sa interventie chirurgicala(aplicarea de proteza de sold).sper ca te-am lamurit in anumite privinte, daca te mai intereseaza ceva :taulescumarian




 
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